October 11, 2017

Britain won’t Brexit in 2019

Britain won’t Brexit in 2019

Peter Divey believes the Government’s claim that the UK will have exited from the European Union by 30 March, 2019 is laughable. If you are following the rules and paying the subs in any club you are clearly still “in”, he says.

The truth of the matter is slowly emerging. This was more of a confirmation than a revelation. Britain will remain subject to ECJ rule during any transition period. Worse, Britain may have to recognise and enact any new rulings or evolved laws that arise during transition, although the PM felt this was “unlikely”. That is clearly poppycock. New or old, all law applies if you are subservient. Britain will still have to pay towards the new EU Defence Force and other expensive novelties that the EU will now rush through during “transit”. There will be no cherry picking. The Government line still holds that the UK is “out” from 30 March, 2019. We have Brexited. This position is laughable.  If you are following the rules and paying the subs in any club you are clearly still “in”. It doesn’t matter if some bright spark decides to call it transition or even associated membership. It is an obvious mirage.

Terminology has changed. All the talk just a few months back was of implementation. This has morphed into transition. They are very different. There is no agreement so you could argue that there is nothing to implement. Britain cannot enter trade talks until we have formally left the EU and become a “third country”, or something. I confess in my mind it is unclear as the definition and process pertaining to this particular quirk seems to be free-floating. Maybe transition is merely a device to enable “third-country” status. If that is so we need to be told. I expect implementation to follow transition. We will have gone over the “cliff edge”. We will be falling. We will need to deploy the parachute. There will need to be a new term to explain and define implementation. I like “big bang”, but numerous other catchy titles abound. Someone will come up with the perfect simile.

So, will we be “out” during implementation? Depends on who you believe. Brexit will limp on. Big Bang will be even more frightening than the cliff edge. This will be a busy time. The House may decide to vote on any final deal. A General Election will be close. Best of all, MEP’s will veto any deal just because they can. They have little real power so how can they resist flexing rarely used muscles? Everything will then reset. I believe we can never leave unless we have the gumption to walk. This is the only leverage that we have which might genuinely bring the EU to the table. Perhaps that has at last sunk in. The EU have yet to face the reality of devising a new budget without Britain’s cash. It will be challenging. Long grass. Tin can. It is something that the EU perpetually do. The clock is ticking for both sides. Probably nothing will be decided until the very last possible moment.

Theresa May has now tried to adopt the good cop, bad cop routine. The confirmation of ongoing ECJ overview offset by behind the scenes preparations for a no deal. Do the EU believe her now?  I remain doubtful so I am sure they do but at least there is a new dynamic. The EU constantly applies pressure. Corbyn is now a serious player so let’s talk to him in case the PM falls. Unfortunately, the EU are correct about Corbyn. It is always sensible to have a back-up position. Domestically the Tory rebellion against May has fizzled out. Some are urging a reshuffle to reinforce her stature. I have given up on speculating now as it seems to me that time for changes are well overdue. I want more Leavers in Cabinet and would be pleased to see that anytime. A reshuffle might give me the opposite. Never forget that the PM is a Remainer. I groaned when I heard the PM talking about calm leadership recently, all I could think of was the suffocating strong and stable mantra. She is plodding on after cough saga. But it is hardly power to the (17.4 million) people.

I enjoy debating with Remainers. Some remain good friends. They are as passionate as me. They have bought in completely to Project Fear. It will be disaster. They are constantly noisy and agitating. Always hopeful that Brexit will just fade away. Juncker’s State of the Union speech is a gift from God. The Guardian is the Bible of all things sensible and true. They are consistent on one point which worries me. If the Tories do not fall they want May to stay. It is not just that they think she’s a liability. They sense something, chinks of light that give them hope. They do not want the buffoon Johnson to rise. Bad for Britain. But it is because he dampens the light and hope. He might bring it. Saint Jeremy is the answer. String it out. Time will save us. All Cable does is split the anti-Tory vote. No more centre ground, you can no longer afford to sit on the fence. Every vote counts. And so it does.

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Peter Divey
Peter Divey's dormant interest in British and American politics has been reawakened by last year's Brexit referendum result and Trump's ascendency to the White House. In his spare time he enjoys playing chess and has a growing collection of vintage wrist watches.
  • boptah

    you are correct. It is thinly veiled fascism. and is only going one way.. it looks as though the UK will have to lead Europe from their own self created nightnare…….. Again.

  • Dr. Heath

    I hope you’re right. The EU is profoundly corrupt and regressive. Its only concerns are to extort as much money from the UK to compensate for losing one of its larger net contributors and to make leaving seem awful, as a warning to other nations interested in democracy and their own sovereignty. We’re being treated like secessionists from a huge fascist empire. If scum like Macron and Juncker had armed forces, they’d be getting read to use them against the UK.

  • boptah

    It does not matter what public officials say or think anymore.. the power dynamic has shifted. The people require that we leave the EU completely and that is exactly what will happen . You watch.

  • Dr. Heath

    Sir Jeremy Heywood, the real prime minister, has told Theresa that this Brexit thing won’t work. Businesses will all leave the UK. We won’t be able to poach GPs and engineers from all the poor nations of the earth that we rely on to make up for the educational deficit that results from having 12th rate schools. Same old, same old.

    And that’s that. Every other make-believe prime minister has had to do as they were told by Jeremy. TM is in the same humiliating situation.

  • boptah

    It is true that many politicians are lacking passion in the fight for our sovereignty. but that is because they are compromised. Maybe even Jacob Rees mogg is, up to a certain extent. It does not matter. The leading of this country is being done by the ground up. not the top down. This is why the ‘expert’ predictions are so hopelessly wrong all the time. Because the self fulfilling propaganda does not work anymore. You are right that there is a fight involved in all this. and it is happening now. It is not a new fight. It is an old fight. The oldest of fights, indeed. It is the fight for freedom. and the British will NEVER be enslaved.

  • Rainbow Six

    We conceal it better, beware the fury of the patient man, Dryden.

  • Rainbow Six

    I’ve been in a quandary for a long time now, should I sharpen and oil my pitchfork, or should I leave it rusty. I’ll have to go look up what a lagging indicator is in order to see if you’re insulting me, again.
    I watched Johnson on the news on the last day of canvassing being heckled by a snowflake in Ashby. He showed his lack of passion as he hadn’t got a clue on how to respond.
    Sorry, it won’t happen without a fight.

  • boptah

    Deary me, this is obviously a new subject for you.
    Cameron had to call a referendum to ” shoot UKIP’s Fox”. UKIP had won the European elections and the momentum was getting greater. The establishment had to call a referendum because they could then attempt to control the outcome before it got out of control. Those of us in the country that have been aware of the ” globalisation” problem and its ever centralisation of power had long since stopped listening to the establishment and the ‘experts’ and pseudo celebrities as well as the MSM.. and so were never a factor in our decision. While it is true that the “official” remain camp had varying degrees of patriotism,. The fact that they are politicians means they were compromised , by definition. The shock at us leaving after the referendum was announced was a genuine shock at the fact that ‘the people’ had actually pulled it off.. and since then we have been involved in a war of words to install the referendum decision. which will happen.. i know where we are heading as well. because many of us are already there. you can live in Britain , but not the UK . and there are varying stages in between of detachment from the state. you see. The revolution is well underway. People like you are known as ‘lagging indicators’. but that is ok. You will wake up in time, i have no doubt.

  • Peter Divey

    We think the political situation here is divisive…but it’s as nothing compared to the Yanks. It is nuts over there. Trump is being absolutely hammered. It is fashionable and an easy way to demonstrate virtue and moral superiority.

  • Rainbow Six

    You are 100% correct. But maybe unrest elsewhere will light the blue touch paper, here beforehand.

  • Rainbow Six

    I was chatting amiably last week with a female Yank, her husband, his brother and her parents-in-law, then I mentioned Breitbart. Suddenly minus 50C Arctic conditions in mid-winter. Breitbart is apparently Fake News and won it for Trump. I STFU because I’ve had run ins with quite a lot of Snowflakes and actually had complaints lodged against me. With this kind of venom involved and outright hatred there will be only one outcome.
    May has no intention of delivering Brexit, that’s her job. Contrary to what everybody thinks about her she’s doing it well.

  • Rainbow Six

    Dear me, you’ll never make a conspiring theoretician.
    Why did Cameron agree to a referendum? He was being constantly hassled and never expected to lose. They had everything on their side. 500 MPs, the Lords, the EU, all the Western leaders, CBI, the Bank of England, all the universities, the teachers, 18-25 year old brainwashed snowflakes, all their immigrants particularly those of a certain religion, the City, all those living in Europe, Gibraltarians, Scots and Irish, BBC, Sky, ITV, Channel 4, the newspapers except DM, rich folk with vested interests, all the luvvies and Gary Lineker.
    They also had Plan B, control the opposition. Infiltrate Vote Leave with Johnson, Gove, Leadsom, Hannan and Davis.
    Didn’t you see the shock on their faces? Gove went to bed. So it wasn’t the most important nighty of his career.
    I have a job that brings me into contact with people from all walks of life so I know what’s going on. There are more people woke on the comments section of the DM than anywhere else.
    And I know where we’re heading. You keep oiling your pitchfork.

  • boptah

    you are wrong for one very simple obvious reason. If the ptb were in control. Then why did they allow the Brexit referendum to happen and why did it result in a decision to leave the EU. ?. you have fallen into the trap of thinking that these people are all powerful. they are not. They are in truth frightened children. That need the current system for their very survival.. But that system is ending now. and the rise in fanaticism and the left wing socialist loonies is the writing on the wall.. Have you nor seen that people do not believe ‘experts’ anymore. That is because the ptb, are losing their grip on the collective mind. and it will continue.

  • Rainbow Six

    The PTB are in control, they will do as they please. But you’re right about more people becoming aware of their intentions. They will keep us tied indefinitely to the EU and ECJ.

  • Rainbow Six

    So droll. Good description though of what is going on before our eyes.

  • lizmilton

    Because he knows the Germans run the Cabinet Office…read Michael Shrimpton QC on veteranstoday…

  • lizmilton

    UN Agenda 21 and 30

  • Peter Divey

    I am pro-Brexit and pro-Trump which has been too much for some of my “remain” friends. You try not to lose friendships that have lasted and developed for decades. It is useful to be able to tap into the other camp’s thinking. Brexit terrifies them and Corbyn terrifies me. It is an unbridgeable divide. This is why the political centre has collapsed. My “remain” friends feel forced further and further left and i in turn despair that Brexit is being diluted away to a non-event by a wishy-washy liberalist Conservatism. Your certainty i fear will be fully realised.
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  • boptah

    If mogg does not get the job done then he is toast as well. the same with Trump. Trump started off well but the ‘deep state’ has bogged him down. That is inevitable in the war that we are fighting. and this is the key point. It is ‘the people’ that are directing this ‘play’ now . because there is an awakening happening. People are becoming more and more aware of the intentions of the ptb.. There is no possibility of us remaining in the EU and that means especially the ECJ. Because we know the EU’s ‘intent’. even when things seem hopeless, that is just the lull before the next big push. I am not a theoretician. . I know this. And we will never give in.

  • ethanedwards2002

    There will be civil unrest if we don’t Brexit precisely on time in 2019 and don’t you doubt it.

  • Pantomime’s two doors down mate.

  • Rainbow Six

    Well Doubting Pete there is no doubt in my mind that May, and whoever might replace her, has no intention whatsoever of taking us out of the EU. Her remit was to delay and deny at all costs, and that includes handing over power to Corbyn.
    Well done on actually coming out and saying what to me is obvious. You’ve obviously thought about what they could do, they will do whatever it takes.
    As for your Remain “friends”, I find it hard to comprehend that they could still be your friends. For me there is only one end game.

  • Rainbow Six

    Oh yes it does.

  • Rainbow Six

    That’s their plan. One religion too, and it’s not Christianity.

  • Rainbow Six

    You’re so naïve on that point. If Mogg get’s to be PM he will do as he is told to do. Tell me, has Trump done what he intended to do?

  • And one world government

  • Um… what? Did you accidentally publish your notes at the end there? That last paragraph made no sense.

  • Peter Divey

    The Leavers won’t like it because it doesn’t project enough fear. Works perfectly for me though.

  • hobspawn

    Author spent too much time twitter. Speaks pidgin now. Simple short sentences. Simple short thoughts. Easier. Consume. Be silent. Die.

  • hobspawn

    “Someone will come up with the perfect simile.”

    EUmancipation?

  • boptah

    mogg is cut from different cloth. He has not waivered on the EU for his entire political history.

  • Rainbow Six

    You never heard of the 1995 Barcelona Declaration?

  • Rainbow Six

    Only one party now LibLabCon, soon to be the UKIPLibLabCon after UKIP voted in that wet LibDem plant.
    One Party.
    One State
    One Europe…

  • Rainbow Six

    Wow. You’ve got it. You really have got it, except Johnson could never be trusted. Once a plant, always a plant.
    You think Mogg will be any different? Just think back to Powell. He had 74%-80% public support and was only against the insidious Heath. What did he do?
    May was wheeled out from behind the sofa after having kept a low profile during the referendum, the only contingency plan they had. I call it Plan C. Her remit to delay and deny Brexit at all costs.

  • Rainbow Six

    Is that you Obersturmbannfuhrer PianoWireSolutions of the Grammar Nazis? If he wants to write in a staccato style like your favourite machine gun that’s up to him. Let’s see one of your grand essays and we can enjoy your abbreviated pov.

  • boptah

    People need to understand that this is a stitch up. We need to leave now and hang the consequences. May will NEVER leave the EU, She has her orders from the masters in the shadows. And Boris has capitulated. He cannot be trusted now.. We need someone like Mogg to take the helm. Despite his lack of cabinet experience, he will make an excellent PM. Because he has integrity, The Brexit team have let us down by not sounding the alarm. We have not left until the ECJ is in the rear view mirror. And that is just a fact.

  • Peter Divey

    Thank you for taking the time to reply. I will take it on board. Hammond is stirring the pot again, something that the PM continues to tolerate. He seems to carry undue influence unlike Johnson who has no wiggle room. Hammond clearly feels secure and confident as the head of a pro-EU group within Cabinet and the wider party.

  • PianoWireSolutions

    Jesus, mate. Your missive might be more easily digested if your sentences were longer than four words….and I agree with much of your pov.

  • Sgt_Bilko

    It would be more appropriate if the Tories renamed themselves the wets or perhaps Marxists would be more appropriate. After all, they seem to like Labour policies.

  • David Kane

    The Tories continue to seat warm for Sadiq Khan/Jeremy Corbyn turning Britain into an Islamic state. They have a majority so why are they not repealing Harriet Harmon’s 2010 Equality Act, which cemented political correctness at the expense of individual liberty or Labour’s Race and Religious Hatred Act, which has paved the way for Islamic terrorism? (read “Britain’s Great immigration Disaster” by G.Cooke, Amazon and Kindle). Why does this “Conservative” government sit on its hands and watch Britain changed out of all recognition by Marxist laws then do NOTHING when they are in power, when they could correct the legal infrastructure that has allowed race activists and migrant hucksters and terrorist supporters to become untouchable under British law. This is the greatest crime of May’s wasted time in office.

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